Mandy McAvoy
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Post by Mandy McAvoy on Sept 25, 2012 2:40:27 GMT -5
Wohoo, great work Malory! Seems like I no longer need to make a rude horse with a sim giving its butt a little taste of the whip, because I was going to make one for my training lesson program poses:) don't forget: even though there are rude people, there are rude horses out there as well:P
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Post by McLain Breeding on Sept 25, 2012 7:03:14 GMT -5
Hahaha ya you're right there are
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Shiann Crowe
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Post by Shiann Crowe on Sept 25, 2012 15:36:41 GMT -5
Some of those horse rearing/bucking/bolting/being a jerk poses would be useful even in a 'not a bad rider my horse is just being an ass' way. But ick, Rollkur. Sure sure, its all ok but I always see Rollkur/Hyperflexion at many Competitions, and I hate seeing it So I don't want that pose in a Competiton *looking angry* ;D I'm going to say this like a true cowgirl with no knowledge whatsoever of dressage or english style... Which pose is hyperflexion? I googled it and figured out what it is- In theory anyways, but it also didn't sound THAT cruel (mildly harsh, is how it sounded) so I guess I don't really completely know what it is besides making the horse curve his neck (to supple out the back, says Wikipedia). But if someone would explain it to me further, I would greatly appreciate it and maybe understand which one it is.
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Post by Isabella Rose on Sept 25, 2012 15:48:23 GMT -5
Sure sure, its all ok but I always see Rollkur/Hyperflexion at many Competitions, and I hate seeing it So I don't want that pose in a Competiton *looking angry* ;D I'm going to say this like a true cowgirl with no knowledge whatsoever of dressage or english style... Which pose is hyperflexion? I googled it and figured out what it is- In theory anyways, but it also didn't sound THAT cruel (mildly harsh, is how it sounded) so I guess I don't really completely know what it is besides making the horse curve his neck (to supple out the back, says Wikipedia). But if someone would explain it to me further, I would greatly appreciate it and maybe understand which one it is. From what I understand, there's a few different stages of hyperflexion. The most cruel one can actually turn a horse's tongue blue and (I've heard this, not sure if it's true) can fracture a horse's neck. Sometimes, I accidentally go into not-extreme-but-still-hyperflexion mode (I'm going to be honest), but my horse lets me know by trying to grab the bit. I don't reward her for grabbing the bit (call me cruel if you want) so I don't release for a few seconds until she's calm. Then I release. Otherwise she'll learn that she can grab the bit and I'll stop making her do whatever. Anywho, Shiann, the hyperflexion pose is the one where the horse's nose is practically touching its chest.
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Post by Shiann Crowe on Sept 25, 2012 21:04:59 GMT -5
Ah, I see. I think I may do that when my horse refuses to listen to me or, worse, tries to take walk off when I'm getting on (-_-) But I just do a see-saw motion and it doesn't last long- Just enough to get his attention. But! I don't yank his face back and make him hold it there- And I think that's what's bad for them, so I don't think what I'm doing (or what you're doing) is cruel. But I would never pull him back like that and expect him to hold it (especially since pulling back is 'woah' and 'back up' so that would probably confuse my poor little gelding. xD) He tries to grab the bit too- But he mostly does that when, for example, I want him to walk and he wants to run and he gets frustrated. Poor horse is too much like me- Get irritated, attempt to take over the reins. xD
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Post by Isabella Rose on Sept 25, 2012 21:13:51 GMT -5
Ah, I see. I think I may do that when my horse refuses to listen to me or, worse, tries to take walk off when I'm getting on (-_-) But I just do a see-saw motion and it doesn't last long- Just enough to get his attention. But! I don't yank his face back and make him hold it there- And I think that's what's bad for them, so I don't think what I'm doing (or what you're doing) is cruel. But I would never pull him back like that and expect him to hold it (especially since pulling back is 'woah' and 'back up' so that would probably confuse my poor little gelding. xD) He tries to grab the bit too- But he mostly does that when, for example, I want him to walk and he wants to run and he gets frustrated. Poor horse is too much like me- Get irritated, attempt to take over the reins. xD My horse, since she's just learning to collect herself, actually puts herself into hyperflexion to compensate lol what a weirdie <3
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Bella-Rose Taylor
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Post by Bella-Rose Taylor on Sept 26, 2012 9:58:49 GMT -5
From what my instructor told me, it's not the fact that the horse has it's muzzle touching it's chest, it can do that naturally, its the fact that dressage riders (especially European riders from what I've seen) make the horse hold that position for such a long time. It's ok for a few seconds, since it helps the horse use its back and make it more supple, but any longer than say 30 seconds, then it starts hurting the horse's neck and back.
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Post by mizuki2011 on Sept 26, 2012 10:59:39 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo8W2fUjdM4Hate this one since it's a Swedish rider doing that... I THINK he has stopped using that method, and I certainly hope so, but you never know. For those of you who don't know what this is and have perhaps not googled it, or didn't find anything when you went looking, this might help: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwqyMCr_7c
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Post by Jessie Handson on Sept 26, 2012 11:20:27 GMT -5
You just keep getting better and better.
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Post by Bella-Rose Taylor on Sept 26, 2012 12:33:01 GMT -5
hmm yeah, I read an article on it a few months ago but you're not actually allowed to do that in competition anymore. You get docked points, at least they should. I personally don't like it, but there are a lot of riders and trainers out there that still use it, even though its almost classed as an old style of training. EDIT: just found this lovely gem on youtube about a dressage rider who uses that training method. Thought you guys might be interested. www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOBsSdjUvU&feature=related
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Post by mizuki2011 on Sept 26, 2012 13:31:02 GMT -5
hmm yeah, I read an article on it a few months ago but you're not actually allowed to do that in competition anymore. You get docked points, at least they should. I personally don't like it, but there are a lot of riders and trainers out there that still use it, even though its almost classed as an old style of training. EDIT: just found this lovely gem on youtube about a dressage rider who uses that training method. Thought you guys might be interested. www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOBsSdjUvU&feature=relatedI'm ashamed to say that witch was my idol until I found out about this...
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Post by Bella-Rose Taylor on Sept 26, 2012 15:56:08 GMT -5
Hmmm, yeah, but the reason people use that method is because of her and riders like her, that have the results to match the method. Personally, I like Carl Hester and Charlotte Dujardin (sp?) as they don't use that method at all from what I've seen and heard
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Post by Elin McMillian on Sept 30, 2012 14:05:50 GMT -5
In the olympics Patrik Kittel (In the video Lianne poseted) was accused of using rollkür. So I don't thing he has stopped using the method. It wasn't the first time he was accused of this and personally I hate the man's guts. There were pictures released of Scandic (His horse) when his tongue was blue, he seriously looked like a chow chow. And then Patrik was all like "Well, the picture shows him hyperflexing but it was only for a couple of seconds" and THEN a video was released of Scandic hyperflexing for like ten mintues. I've also seen many international dressage competitions when the riders use their spurs so much that they actually cause the horses to bleed, I mean do they seriously call this "Harmony between horse and Rider? It's sick is what it is.
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Post by Isabella Rose on Sept 30, 2012 14:10:07 GMT -5
In the olympics Patrik Kittel (In the video Lianne poseted) was accused of using rollkür. So I don't thing he has stopped using the method. It wasn't the first time he was accused of this and personally I hate the man's guts. There were pictures released of Scandic (His horse) when his tongue was blue, he seriously looked like a chow chow. And then Patrik was all like "Well, the picture shows him hyperflexing but it was only for a couple of seconds" and THEN a video was released of Scandic hyperflexing for like ten mintues. I've also seen many international dressage competitions when the riders use their spurs so much that they actually cause the horses to bleed, I mean do they seriously call this "Harmony between horse and Rider? It's sick is what it is. Amen.
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Post by Arab el Haira on Sept 30, 2012 14:47:44 GMT -5
LOL
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